Behaving like the favourable element

[quills]

Hi hi everyone,  

is it true that it would help to behave or tend to behave like what our Useful God is? But when we start behaving like our Annoying God it would make us upset?

For example, if a weak Ding DM, and she needs resource, wood, would it better for her to start behaving or thinking like a Jia or Yi DM? Like, copying their personality or something? Or... thinking like Jia/Yi DM?
But then when she starts to be fair and just, like a metal DM, it would only bring her stress?

And another question, what is the different between Useful God and Regulating Useful God? And which one is better in its application?

[Ken]

Hi quills,

I agree and subscribe to this line of reasoning and practice.

There are many categories of Useful God.  So I would put the Regulating Useful God as a subset of the former.

Are you asking more about the different between Favorable God and Useful God?

[leecarrot]

Hi quills, Ken, and everyone,

It's a smart idea to behave like the Useful God element.  Previously, I only thought of engaging in activities related to the UG. I remember I had this same question about the different types of Useful God a while ago. Some calculators like the Joey Yap's or the Chinese one output 3 elements for the Regulating Useful God. But then, I suppose there is only one element that might best serve as the Useful God.

Found this somewhere in my notes, perhaps only a small part of what Ken meant by many categories of Useful God. I'm really not good at translation, it reads a bit funny  . Hope it can still be of some use here. Feel free to correct.

Three categories of Useful God:

1) 生扶用神 Sheng Fu Yong Shen
就是看日干强弱，得力不得力情况。观察四柱是否有克身，泄气之神煞，或者帮身太旺，再看四柱有没有伏制之吉神，如能伏制化煞，并能生扶命宫，入贵格，是为可用之神，命理学称为生扶用神。

This method looks at the strength of Day Master (weak or strong) + the most dominant 10 Gods. It observes whether there are plenty of elements in 4 pillars that attack the DM, or help strengthen the DM. Then also check whether there exist elements in the 4P that restraint the good and bad elements, as well as capable of supporting the life palace. Those helpful elements are considered the inborn supporting Useful God (Sheng Fu Yong Shen).

Example applications:
1) 日干弱, 多官杀, 用神取印星。
Daymaster is weak with a lot of Officers (DO & 7K): use resources as Useful God.

2) 日干弱, 多财星, 用神首取比劫
Daymaster is weak, many wealth stars: Useful God is companions (Friends & RW).

3) 日弱多食伤, 首先要取印星为用神.
DM is weak with many outputs (EG & H0). Firstly, have to use resources as Useful God.

4) 日干强旺, 多印星, 取财为用神.
DM is strong with many resources: wealth stars become Useful God.

2) 调候用神 Diao Hou Yong Shen - This might be the Regulating Useful God (usually there's no specific element, more than one element ??)
This is a way to adjust when the chart is too hot or too dry, e.g., a hot chart likes moist and vice versa. Some calculators provide these Regulating Useful God, which makes us question the difference between Regulating UG and Useful God only.

For example,
癸日干生 - Gui DM 亥月 born in Hai month.
庚、辛，水多用戊，金多取丁。
Too much metal & therefore too much water, use Wu earth to control water. Use Ding fire to control metal.

丁日干生 - Ding DM 寅月 born in Yin month
用甲必须兼用庚金。
If using Jia wood, have to double up the use of Geng metal (so that it can chop Jia to produce fire).


3) 通关用神 Tong Guan Yong Shen
Look at which elements counter which, then find the remedy to clear the conflict.
在相对平衡的四柱中， 财星与印星旺而相战， 有一点官杀星可通关； 印枭与食伤旺而相战， 日干得令可通关； 官杀与比劫旺而相战，有一点印星可通关。

In a relatively balanced Bazi chart:
- Wealth stars counter the resource stars. A small amount of Direct Officer or 7 Killings can clear the conflict.
- Strong resources (direct/indirect) meet prosperous Eating God and Hurting Officer will counter each other. The season of the DM can clear it (depends on what season the DM was born).
- When officers (DO and 7K) meet prosperous Companions (Friends & Rob Wealth), they counter each other. Use resources to clear it.

Source: http://www.zhouyisoft.com/bazi/7.htm, http://www.xjw.cn/8z3.htm

[remoteviewer]

Interesting points, two of my best male friends have my UG as their DM. We seem to share many common interest.  

Hi leecarrot
That a very nice website you got there... Very refreshing.  

[leecarrot]

Thanks remoteviewer :-). During this LP, I haven't met anyone whose DM is my UG. It is nice to have a few friends that do . It's very nice of quills to bring up this discussion, allowing me to dig into my notes again.

After reading a blog post, I think I should revise this part below to include more common terms. It's minor, but it might have been confusing :-P

Hi quills, Ken, and everyone,

3) 通关用神 Tong Guan Yong Shen
Look at which elements counter which clash with each other , then find the remedy to clear the conflict  arbitrate the clash.
在相对平衡的四柱中， 财星与印星旺而相战， 有一点官杀星可通关； 印枭与食伤旺而相战， 日干得令可通关； 官杀与比劫旺而相战，有一点印星可通关。

In a relatively balanced Bazi chart:
- Wealth stars counter clash with the resource stars. A small amount of Direct Officer or 7 Killings can clear the conflict arbitrate the clash.

- Strong resources (direct/indirect) meet prosperous Eating God and Hurting Officer will counter each other clash with each other. The season of the DM can clear it (depends on what season the DM was born). Use companions to arbitrate the clash.

- When officers (DO and 7K) meet prosperous Companions (Friends & Rob Wealth), they counter clash with each other. Use resources to clear arbitrate it.

[quills]

Hi quills,

I agree and subscribe to this line of reasoning and practice.

There are many categories of Useful God.  So I would put the Regulating Useful God as a subset of the former.

Are you asking more about the different between Favorable God and Useful God?

Hi Ken,
Is there any different in Fave God and Useful God?

Hi RV,
I guess that explains why we tend to hang out with ppl whose DM is our UG? It's true in my case too btw.

Hi leecarrot,
thank you from your sharing it's great! extra information for me. My notes are all over the place

That kinda means that weak DM should learn to love themselves more, and strong DM should love themselves less?

How about the Annoying God? I don't really find a lot of explanation on this.

[leecarrot]

Hi quills,

Hi leecarrot,
thank you from your sharing it's great! extra information for me. My notes are all over the place

You are welcome :-). Hope it can be useful in some way. Most of the stuff in my notes I found online, so I think we should be wary of these sources. I tried to use only a few links that seem to be in line with our understanding of Bazi fundamentals. I believe my notes are far from organized, with so many of them on scratch papers mixed with course notes I no longer use  .

As for the Annoying God, I haven't looked much at it. I presume it is the opposite of Useful God? When the 5 elements are quite balanced and there's no serious deficiency of the Useful God, life will be smoother. Otherwise, there will be more ups and downs with only the annoying gods in the 4P. Luck pillars can be used to reimburse such deficiency in this case.

Annoying God [忌神] is the element obstructing a life most and contra-productive, especially if the Annoying God element is strong and found in prominent location in one's chart.

Here I'm wondering if we can also say this as our most unfavorable element? For example, either the wealth element or the Hurting Officer is the Annoying God for a weak daymaster. Perhaps any expert can give their opinion too. I'll be back if I can find more about this

[slayer]

Hi quills,

I agree and subscribe to this line of reasoning and practice.

There are many categories of Useful God.  So I would put the Regulating Useful God as a subset of the former.

Are you asking more about the different between Favorable God and Useful God?

what if the useful god is a strong element like in follow leader? How does earth shi shen should behave?

thanks