True Sword in the hour

[slayer]

"You have the True Sword (True Yang Ren star 真阳刃) in the hour. It's more powerful than the usual Yang Ren star"

Why it is said that Wei in hour is the tue sword for Ding DM?

ding ding xin xin
wei wei chou chou

thanks

[Ken]

Hi slayer,

Which website told you your chart has it?  Ding's Yang Ren is Bing.  Hidden stems in Wei is 己、乙、丁。  This does not include Bing.  Yang Ren is more lethal in the hour.  Note also some practitioners believe Yin Daymaster do not have Yang Ren.


比如甲日主生人见卯，卯中独藏乙木，乙木是甲木的劫财，是甲木的正财己土的七煞；卯又与酉（甲木正官辛金所藏的地方）冲；乙木又是甲木的七煞庚金的妻子。“劫财、冲官、合煞”，所以凶不可言，因此是阳刃。

阳刃只有甲、丙、戊、庚、壬这五个阳干才有，而乙、丁、己、辛、癸五个阴干没有刃，这也是为什么叫“阳刃”的道理之一。五阴干只以见伤官相当于阳刃的灾祸，所以乙日主见丙火有时也称为“刃”，因为丙火伤害乙木的正官庚金，合辛金七煞克伤乙木，阴金克阴木是至毒，所以凶与阳刃相同。

因此“刃”有三种：一是劫财刃，甲日主见乙木，这种“刃”不利财官格；二是护禄刃；甲日主见卯木，对归禄格极有利；三是背禄刃，乙日主见丙火，对去官留煞的格局有利。

劫财阳刃，最忌时柱上遇到，如果又加上“岁运并临”，那么灾殃立至。阳刃在时柱上遇见，灾祸比年、月、日柱遇见要重得多。比如甲日主生人，时柱上见乙卯，就是真阳刃。命局中既然遇到真阳刃，那么伤妻破财的灾祸已经在劫难逃，如果流年太岁和大运再遇到羊刃，就叫“岁运并临”；流年上见到己酉是冲犯太岁星君，见到亥、未、戌是合太岁星君。阳刃是凶煞，太岁是凶神，太岁得到吉神相扶或相合则吉，如果阳刃等凶煞来冲、合岁君，叫做“攒凶聚煞”，难免大祸临头。这就是所谓“阳刃冲合岁君，勃然祸至”。

尽管如此，但也要详细推敲。如果命局根基浅薄，那么遇到这样的情况当然是这样的，但如果本命强旺、秉气深厚，或有天、月德等救星解救，那么只是有虚惊而无实祸。

如果日柱上就带有刃，见冲或合，岁运上再临冲合，那就克伤本命而大凶了；如果太岁冲合而大运不冲合，或大运冲合而太岁不冲合，灾祸减半。

又比如说：“日干无气，时逢阳刃不为凶。”这是说命主生日天元处于死、绝、衰、病、暴败之地，不通月气，本来不能胜任财官，如果遇到阳刃，反而能劫财化煞，所以不作凶论。身弱的在遇到财、官时，当然最好阳刃来分财合煞；即使遇到食神、伤官，由于身弱难免泄气太过，所以也喜欢阳刃来扶持。

忌惮阳刃劫财的人，自身身强力能胜财，所以不喜欢劫财来争夺；而对于身弱力不胜财的人，并不忌劫财来夺，阳刃反而有护身的功效。

[slayer]

Hi slayer,

Which website told you your chart has it?  Ding's Yang Ren is Bing.  Hidden stems in Wei is 己、乙、丁。  This does not include Bing.  Yang Ren is more lethal in the hour.  Note also some practitioners believe Yin Daymaster do not have Yang Ren.


比如甲日主生人见卯，卯中独藏乙木，乙木是甲木的劫财，是甲木的正财己土的七煞；卯又与酉（甲木正官辛金所藏的地方）冲；乙木又是甲木的七煞庚金的妻子。“劫财、冲官、合煞”，所以凶不可言，因此是阳刃。

阳刃只有甲、丙、戊、庚、壬这五个阳干才有，而乙、丁、己、辛、癸五个阴干没有刃，这也是为什么叫“阳刃”的道理之一。五阴干只以见伤官相当于阳刃的灾祸，所以乙日主见丙火有时也称为“刃”，因为丙火伤害乙木的正官庚金，合辛金七煞克伤乙木，阴金克阴木是至毒，所以凶与阳刃相同。

因此“刃”有三种：一是劫财刃，甲日主见乙木，这种“刃”不利财官格；二是护禄刃；甲日主见卯木，对归禄格极有利；三是背禄刃，乙日主见丙火，对去官留煞的格局有利。

劫财阳刃，最忌时柱上遇到，如果又加上“岁运并临”，那么灾殃立至。阳刃在时柱上遇见，灾祸比年、月、日柱遇见要重得多。比如甲日主生人，时柱上见乙卯，就是真阳刃。命局中既然遇到真阳刃，那么伤妻破财的灾祸已经在劫难逃，如果流年太岁和大运再遇到羊刃，就叫“岁运并临”；流年上见到己酉是冲犯太岁星君，见到亥、未、戌是合太岁星君。阳刃是凶煞，太岁是凶神，太岁得到吉神相扶或相合则吉，如果阳刃等凶煞来冲、合岁君，叫做“攒凶聚煞”，难免大祸临头。这就是所谓“阳刃冲合岁君，勃然祸至”。

尽管如此，但也要详细推敲。如果命局根基浅薄，那么遇到这样的情况当然是这样的，但如果本命强旺、秉气深厚，或有天、月德等救星解救，那么只是有虚惊而无实祸。

如果日柱上就带有刃，见冲或合，岁运上再临冲合，那就克伤本命而大凶了；如果太岁冲合而大运不冲合，或大运冲合而太岁不冲合，灾祸减半。

又比如说：“日干无气，时逢阳刃不为凶。”这是说命主生日天元处于死、绝、衰、病、暴败之地，不通月气，本来不能胜任财官，如果遇到阳刃，反而能劫财化煞，所以不作凶论。身弱的在遇到财、官时，当然最好阳刃来分财合煞；即使遇到食神、伤官，由于身弱难免泄气太过，所以也喜欢阳刃来扶持。

忌惮阳刃劫财的人，自身身强力能胜财，所以不喜欢劫财来争夺；而对于身弱力不胜财的人，并不忌劫财来夺，阳刃反而有护身的功效。

Vicent Kohs book, and also atFourpillars ning. Indeed i told them about Wei having yin fire so i dont undestand why some masters consider Wei yan ren for Ding
can we say Bing stem is also Yang ren or only when in branch?

[bazisuanming]

Hi Ken,

Which website told you your chart has it?  Ding's Yang Ren is Bing.  Hidden stems in Wei is 己、乙、丁。  This does not include Bing.  Yang Ren is more lethal in the hour.  Note also some practitioners believe Yin Daymaster do not have Yang Ren.

1) I don't agree that Yang Ren is more lethal in the hour
2) I don't agree that Yang Ren has to be lethal at all. It could for example indicate that the person has a mild temperament   
3) Note that some practitioners (incl. myself) believe that Yin DM has Yang Ren
4) Not yet the right time for you to teach about Shen Sha 

bzsm

[slayer]

Hi Ken,

Which website told you your chart has it?  Ding's Yang Ren is Bing.  Hidden stems in Wei is 己、乙、丁。  This does not include Bing.  Yang Ren is more lethal in the hour.  Note also some practitioners believe Yin Daymaster do not have Yang Ren.

1) I don't agree that Yang Ren is more lethal in the hour
2) I don't agree that Yang Ren has to be lethal at all. It could for example indicate that the person has a mild temperament  
3) Note that some practitioners (incl. myself) believe that Yin DM has Yang Ren
4) Not yet the right time for you to teach about Shen Sha  

bzsm

I dont trust made up systems like yours BZSM. Another westerner inventing things. Yang ren mild he?
And i never asked you to teach me Shen sha. Just because this is a Shen Sha question it doesnt mean i consider you an authority in the matter

[bazisuanming]

And i never asked you to teach me Shen sha. Just because this is a Shen Sha question it doesnt mean i consider you an authority in the matter

lol

Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:36 pm

Re: [bazisuanminggroup] Fw: naastrology Re: paulo forign question

Dear Thomas,Do i have to go to India to learn that?

thanks
Paulo

To refresh your memory you asked me to teach you Shen Sha and the 12 houses. 

[slayer]

And i never asked you to teach me Shen sha. Just because this is a Shen Sha question it doesnt mean i consider you an authority in the matter

lol

Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:36 pm

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Re: [bazisuanminggroup] Fw: naastrology Re: paulo forign question

Dear Thomas,Do i have to go to India to learn that?

thanks
Paulo

To refresh your memory you asked me to teach you Shen Sha and the 12 houses.  

Do i have to go to India to learn that?

you obvious take everything one says literally. Very Teutonic. And when was that? in 2006

From J. Yu Master course: In Zi ping system onlu 5 phases are considered.Shen sha were adopted from the earlier five star astrology. shen sha are an appendix. To avoid trouble many people remove their appendix.You can use shen sha to a life reading for the sake of adding interest in a serious reading.Care must be taken not to place unjustified emphasis on them
though

[bazisuanming]

From J. Yu Master course: In Zi ping system onlu 5 phases are considered.Shen sha were adopted from the earlier five star astrology. shen sha are an appendix. To avoid trouble many people remove their appendix.You can use shen sha to a life reading for the sake of adding interest in a serious reading.Care must be taken not to place unjustified emphasis on them
though

Tell him he should read Yuan Hai Ziping properly.

[slayer]

From J. Yu Master course: In Zi ping system onlu 5 phases are considered.Shen sha were adopted from the earlier five star astrology. shen sha are an appendix. To avoid trouble many people remove their appendix.You can use shen sha to a life reading for the sake of adding interest in a serious reading.Care must be taken not to place unjustified emphasis on them
though

Tell him he should read Yuan Hai Ziping properly.

I see..you can read Chinese fluently LOL

[bazisuanming]

I see..you can read Chinese fluently LOL

Depends what you understand by fluently.
But I agree that my German, English and Sanskrit are better. LOL

[Ken]

Hi bazisuanming,

I was replying to a forum discussion thread started by slayer, no intention to teach on my part.   :  As for your other 3 comments, you interpreted what was posted to be my stand when I was merely providing translated excerpts of the Chinese text that I found.  For example, I never meant that Yang Ren has to be lethal.   You may think you are a guru in Shen Sha but what's the use of you only knowing how to quote shen sha text without even able to do an accurate chart reading for people? 

[Ken]

Hi slayer,

The derivation of True Yang Ren is derived from the 五虎遁。  For Ding daymaster, it is the 4th pair and hence starts counting at Ren Yin until you get Ding Wei. Note that books say (not I teach) it is very negative when appearing at the hour pillar.

[bazisuanming]

Hi bazisuanming,

I was replying to a forum discussion thread started by slayer, no intention to teach on my part.   :  As for your other 3 comments, you interpreted what was posted to be my stand when I was merely providing translated excerpts of the Chinese text that I found.  For example, I never meant that Yang Ren has to be lethal.   

I am not interpreting anything  My comment about you teaching was meant more in a joking manner. This why the use of the emoticon.
You know by now my attitude towards interpretation and use of Shen Sha.
This so called Masters teaching their western and westernized audience have mutilated this subject so badly,
that there are too many funny ideas and very little substance about it.

Sadly, the simplified interpretations found in most Chinese books don't help either.

Slayer (Paulo) just does his normal cross checking in as many places as he thinks could give him some
additional information. The whole issue about Yang Ren in his chart started in Danny's network.
And with him it can easily happen that he quotes your comment as the personal belief of Master Ken, as he is quite comfortable with quoting in and out of context as long it suits his (mis)understanding. LOL

Take care

bzsm

[Ken]

Hi bazisuanming,

Oh dear, I did not know I was quoted    What really bothers me is when I am quoted out of context.  I do not really hang out at Danny's network.  But maybe I can go take a look 

Yes, I can understand what you mean.  Bazi and even Chinese Metaphysics has too many versions, some mutilated, some re-invented, floating around that confuses a lot of people learning it.  I can only hope enthusiasts learn to practise it on a more responsible manner and adopt an integrated and practical approach.

[bazisuanming]

Hi bazisuanming,

Oh dear, I did not know I was quoted    What really bothers me is when I am quoted out of context.  I do not really hang out at Danny's network.  But maybe I can go take a look 

Read again what I wrote. I put the relevant part in bold

And with him it can easily happen that he quotes your comment as the personal belief of Master Ken, as he is quite comfortable with quoting in and out of context as long it suits his (mis)understanding. LOL

I just asked you to be careful about what you comment to Paulo, as he uses and misuses peoples comments as he sees fit. Nothing to get angry about, it's just his nature.