Destiny or choice?

[ylim72]

I don't know much about all the stuffs regarding out life's destiny but i heard someone said our once we are born, we will know his/her destiny by date of birth and time, right? That's what we call bazi. Well, my question is can you change the destiny?


 

[makofate]

I don't know whether one can change the destiny, but my friend always tell me to change my character since i saw my own destiny( as in bazi) already. I believe that changing your character somehow affects your destiny, and also every decision you make everyday affects destiny too.
  We don't control destiny, but we can control our actions daily and somehow have a impact on our destiny. This is my own point of view by the way.

[Ken]

HI makofate,

That's correct.  Any outcome is determined by Heaven, Earth and Man Luck.  Man do have a say in how one's destiny or outcome unfolds.

if Mr A decides to jump down from a 12-storey building, I guarantee his outcome is changed completely.  For certain events (eg those related to health), Man's luck or Man's decision has a heigher weightage on the outcome.  For other events (eg job promotion), the individual Man's luck has a smaller influence on the outcome but yet the level of influence is never nil.

[makofate]

Hi Ken,

    hehe, glad that you have almost the same point of view on this.So we do have a choice somehow indirectly to change our destiny.Its really up to us whether we want to act on it a not,be it small influence or big influence. =)

[Ken]

Hi makofate,

That's right.  The purpose of learning about our own destiny is to identify the key points of our destiny and planning to leverage on it.  It is never intended to tell people to just be resigned to fate.

[Xuan]

Hi Ken,

Have you watch these two movies, 'Sliding Doors' and 'Final Destination'? Interesting insight in view of Destiny.

We definitely have a choice, but the question lies in how do we really know the outcome will not be the same if we have chosen different path after we learn of our bazi?

As life is really a one-way street journey. There will be many cross junctions along the way, but once the chosen path is taken, there's really no U turn.

Just some of my thoughts.

Regards,
Xuan

[Ken]

Hi Xuan,

I did not watch these 2 movies.  Care to share the gist of it?

I will say if we didn't learn astrology or Fengshui, it is more likely the choice we make will leave us with more or less the same outcome.  But if we practise astrology and fengshui, the higher likelihood is we would enjoy a better outcome.  This is not withstanding the fact that all humans still end with the same final destination of death.

[Xuan]

Hi Ken,

Below are the Synopsis of the movies. It touched on the fact of knowing one's destiny and the 'what if' that fills ones curiosity. It is not about bazi or feng shui, just insight of the whole concept of destiny and using human action to try and alter the destiny. Perhaps, the end point might still be the same, except the journey along the way might bea  different experience altogether.

Sliding Doors

Synopsis: A beautiful young English woman (Gwyneth Paltrow) learns that she has been fired from her PR job. On the way home, the doors of a tube car close on her, opening the "what if" floodgates.

The split-second moments that can take a life down one path instead of another form the tantalizing what if? She begins to live out two lives: if she had made the train, and if she hadn't.  An intriguing concept about fate and how simple moments have the ability to change our lives.

Final Destination - a typical American teen flick horror movie. The focus is not in the horror bit, but the idea of cheating death that was pre-destined. Another 'what if'.

Synopsis: Alex (Devon Sawa) and his school buddies are about to take a flight to Paris when he has a premonition that their plane will crash.

He tries desperately to warn everybody but only achieves in having himself and his friends thrown off the flight. Shortly after takeoff the plane does in fact explode and Alex together with his friends have escaped death.

But the thriller kicks into high gear when in no time at all the survivors are mysteriously killed off, one at a time. Will Alex survive the horror that awaits him? Well, if you want to find out, you will just have to watch the heart-stopping chills and thrills unfold in this bizarre teen thriller.

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My conclusion on destiny or choice is, the end result might be the same except the journey along the way can be different due to our mindset and attitude that influences our course of actions - be it good or bad.

Regards,
Xuan

[firehorselord]

I will say if we didn't learn astrology or Fengshui, it is more likely the choice we make will leave us with more or less the same outcome.  But if we practise astrology and fengshui, the higher likelihood is we would enjoy a better outcome. 

yea man.. life has more downs than ups. get one to learn better 3 yrs, get one to learn bad 3seconds. hehe..

i feel that destiny cannot be changed, but i think we just get the best out of it.
sometimes really, something will just happen out of no where. just like Kong Ming dint get to Kill Sima Yi at that burning valley due to the heavy rain pour.

i am not reffering to the decisions that one make. just that even if one can choose the best decision, but that does not mean he will get it.

sound pessimistic huh? just want to say, if its something material, i think we can change fate abit here..  but if its something regarding live, health,people, abit hard here as other people have their destiny to play a part too.

  CoOl?

FHL

[Ken]

Hi Firehorselord,,

Fundamentally it boils down to what different people defines as change of destiny.  Some people viewed a change in outcome or personal encounters as change of destiny.  If we go by this definitition, destiny can be changed.

Another group of people sees change of destiny as marked improvement of one's life or status eg change from a employed clerk to a businessman earning millions per year or even status equivalent to that of Warren Buffet.  If we take view only something as substantial as qualifies of change of destiny, then I will agree that destiny cannot be change.

[firehorselord]

arrr i c...

CoOl 

btw Ken, lets say if everyone has a default destiny, and these destinies interact with each other people destinies, somehow directly or indirectly, so this destiny becomes modified,

in the tools we are using, are these 2 calculatable? haha (got such word?)

FHL

cheers

[ylim72]

We can choose on how to deal with problem but the outcome maybe still the same (destined). Anyone has any comment on this?

Ken!
Since you are expert in reading bazi, do you came across someone who actually manage to change their destiny?

[Xuan]

Perhaps we should just look at the definition and meaning of the word 'Destiny'

des·ti·ny   Audio Help   (děs'tə-nē)  Pronunciation Key 
n.   pl. des·ti·nies

The inevitable or necessary fate to which a particular person or thing is destined; one's lot.
A predetermined course of events considered as something beyond human power or control:
Extracted from dictionary.com

Destiny means the inevitable or fate - by human definition.
If it can be altered then it cannot not be termed as destiny, instead it will be called

That's why many bazi professionals says BaZi shows us our potentials of our destiny, not for us to change it.

However, if ever destiny can be changed, I believe it will come with a 'price', whatever that may be.

Regards,
Xuan

[Ken]

Hi Xuan,

If we go by the English definition of destiny,  I do agree with you destiny cannot be changed.


Hi ylim72/firehorselord,

I believe you guys may not be referring to the strictest sense of destiny as defined by English vocabulary.  If you are referring to change of outcome, yes it can be achieved.  For example, someone who may be in the process of divorce actually averted it even though the birth chart indicated likelihood of divorce.  Similarly, another case of a cancer patient recovering from cancer even though doctor had rated the outlook as pessimistic.

However, like Xuan has pointed out above that any course of event that is inevitable is destiny.  A change of outcome is not of the same degree as a change of destiny.  But for everyone, a change of outcome is sufficiently encouraging.

[Mudbuddha]

I am of the opinion that destiny cannot be changed. Your destiny as per what Joey Yap likes to say is your life capacity or life potential. Whatever changes or improvements can never go beyond what your maximum potential or capacity. That's probably why some people no matter how hard they slog, they can never break out from poverty or promote beyond their current position in their company.

Any positive changes or significant improvement in your life after applying fengshui or listening to the advices of destiny consultants means you are closer to reaching your maximum potential. The bigger the positive effect you experience merely means that you had that capacity to improve that much which also mean you had that potential to do so much better.

The decisions and choices that you take direct affects what your ability reach your maximum potential. How often have we seen young sportsmen who had that potential to be world beaters fade away into obscurity because they lost their discipline to continue to train hard and indulge in partying due to their 'celebrity' status and new found wealth. They had that potential but failed to live up to it due to their decisions in life.

So life capacity is like a glass and your current situation is the level of water in the glass. Whether the glass can be fully filled depends whether any action is taken to fill it up.